I wonder if the religious right realizes that their outrage is the only reason Riri dresses like this in the first place?
I love that people make claims like “Female modesty and decency have been on the decline for years.” You know what one of my favorite songs is? “Love to Love You Baby” by Donna Summer. It’s 17 min long and she spends like 9 of them having a long pronounced orgasm. Because that’s art dammit. And that came out in 1975. At some point you have to acknowledge that society isn’t declining; you fucking lost. It’s over, we’re in Gomorrah, bitches.
Do these people even know what they’re fighting for anymore? What world are they hoping to return to? The 00s when Britney Spears used to run around in her underwear? The 80s? When Madonna used to run around in her underwear? The 60s when Raquel Welch used to run around in her underwear? The 20s when Josephine Baker used to dress EXACTLY like Riri is here?
I maintain that if you remember a world of decency before Josephine Baker then you’re too fucking old to remember a world of decency before Josephine Baker.
Really, though both teen pregnancy and abortion are down. Female enrollment in college is higher than it’s ever been. Maybe Rihanna‘s nipples have saved us all.
The Slut Panic Over Rihanna Is So Stupid
On Tuesday, Rihanna and her perfect ass channeled Josephine Baker at the CFDA awards. And, as these things tend to do, her exposed nearly nude body under her dress (Swarovski crystals held together with magical spider webs and confidence) has renewed yet another round of teen slut panic.
Her head is still too small for her body.
Max: you take that back! You take that back right now!!!!
It’s similar to when people say that we are in a state of “moral decline” and are presently at our lowest point. I love having discussions with people who make these statements because it’s so easy to point out how wrong they are. Have they forgotten genocide against native Americans? Jim Crow? Lynchings? How is our society today less moral than that which allowed things like this to happen? When people stop and reflect some will realize that immorality was in fact far worse in the past.
So, 4 soccer moms and 4 soccer dads take turns whining about a pretty lady wearing a slinky dress and we’re gonna call it a panic? Every time?
Fine. I’ll clear my calendar. Can we make Thursday slut-panic day?
Rihanna is hot. And she looks damn good half naked. If I looked like that, I’d wear my birthday suit every day. People need to panic about real problems like the shitload of chemicals they spray in the sky on a daily basis that our children are breathing in. Idiots
For purposes of alliteration, I suggest “Slut-Panic Sunday.”
I don’t think your college enrollment argument holds water here. I’m pretty sure book learnin’ for girls is antithetical to this particular strain of conservativism.
Well, I mean in sure they’re mostly just there to find husbands.
In which case, the nipples should help somewhat.
Her head IS too small. Give me five minutes with her and a measuring tape and I’ll prove it.
I just think it’s important to acknowledge, lest she set an impossible standard of beauty leading impressionable young girls to have their skulls bound.
You sure it’s also not the faux feminists?
Max: I hereby challenge you to start a beauty movement of skull binding.
It’s too late for that. My head is already enormous, which is why I’ve never been on the cover of Vogue. (The ONLY reason.) In order to attain a Rhiannaesque cranial physique, I would have had to wear a plaster cast on my head from ages 5 to 14.
it may be too late for you, but if you can save just one kid…
Also I thought my comment made it fairly clear that I’m against skull binding.
Screw that kid!
isn’t it bad enough that she has no desk?
Skull Binding… are talking like in a Giger sense?
I mean like China with feet.
sorry… I like Skulls, but in the Ghost Rider/Giger sense, so I saw Skull binding and though you were referring to binding of spirits or souls to such things and was a little excited… 😉 I’ll go back to playing with the Necronomicon now… 🙁
skull binding was also a thing in certain south american tribal cultures (can’t recall which off the top of my head). But the elite class favored heavily slanted foreheads and extended skulls…sort of Giger/Alien looking, actually!
@Josh bro, thanks for the clear up!
it’s crazy weird stuff! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_binding one step away from the necronomicon 😉
Sheesh man… NOT COOL.
slut panic…what a great band name
Whatever you’re selling, I’ll take 12
Can someone explain to me why nipples on Women must be hidden BUT NOT ON MEN?
Can someone explain to me why nipples on women MUST BE HIDDEN from “children” when the YOUNGEST CHILDREN ARE THE ONES WHO FEED ON THEM?? Who's gonna replace my keyboard because I just drooled all over it when I was licking my monitor???
You’re right. But i still hate this little underbite-hiding, ‘punch me while we hump but not too hard or I’ll cry wolf’ whore. Worse, I hate the attention she gets for being a glorified karaoke singer. There are millions of hot sluts dressing scantily in the world. She deserves exactly zero attention for this.
Damn, Marc. That’s fucked up.
It’s also not really fair. it isn’t about liking her or not. I like her, but that’s irrelevant. You can’t just undercut her abilities because you don’t like her. Well, you can, but that weakens your point. Yes, there are millions of “hot scantily dressed sluts” in the world, but SHE is the one who’s famous. That doesn’t just happen by random chance. Whether that’s her beauty, her musical talent or her marketing ability, she got there for a reason. Otherwise every “scantily clad hot slut” would be famous.
And don’t be a fool. She didn’t earn her way through talent and hard work. Her abilities are minimal. She doesn’t write her music or lyrics by herself. She doesn’t play the instruments. I’m undercutting her because she’s a hack. She got there through a) luck, b) sex, c) connections. Fucked up or not Jameel, it’s the truth.
Sigh….. so here we go.
Ok, let’s go through it. For some reason some people seem to treat music special. They use any excuse to justify their dislike of a certain artist. But why do you feel the need to justify it? Do you ever say that an actor is talentless because they didn’t write the script? Do you say that a ballerina is talentless because they didn’t choreograph the dance? Who cares if Rihanna wrote her songs. Who cares if she didn’t play the instruments? She’s not famous for that. Michael Jackson couldn’t read music. Rihanna is famous because a lot of people, like her singing and a lot of people think she’s sexy. Those are skills.
Here’s the thing, I don’t like Barry Manilow. I’m just not a fan. I’m also not a fan of Rob Zombie. I would never say either of them are without talent. They’re just not my cup of tea, and that’s fine. Rihanna isn’t yours. Fine. But when you say she just rose to the top because of luck, sex and connections, it just makes you sound ignorant. I like Rihanna a lot, and she’s never fucked me. If she were to show up at my door and offer, I’d say yes in a minute, but it hasn’t happened yet. I also submit that whoever she may or may not have fucked to get whatever deals she’s gotten, she didn’t fuck enough voters in the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences to get herself a Grammy, much less seven of them. People like her, so they voted for her. You don’t have to like it, but that doesn’t matter because that’s how voting works.
Connections. Yes, she has them. She has Jay-Z. Maybe she’s fucked him or maybe she hasn’t. But he signed her at 16. He gave her a deal for a reason. He was CEO of Def Jam. He likely listened to THOUSANDS of demo tapes in a year. He chose one. If you think he picked her randomly because “hey, I can make anyone a star, why not this girl?” then you sound like an idiot. If he picked her because she is great in bed, well, fine… she must be phenomenal in bed, because as CEO of Def Jam and a multi-platinum artist on his own, he pretty much had his pick of pussy, and however many groupies he may or may not have fucked, he didn’t sign any others to a multimillion dollar recording contract, so if she’s that phenomenal in bed, then fine, that’s a talent. I on the other hand prefer to think that he probably said to himself “hey, this girls got some skills. I bet I can make some money here.” That’s how you get connections.
Luck. Yes, there’s luck involved in becoming successful. But there was luck involved in Michael Jackson becoming successful too. And Elvis. And Madonna. And fucking Beethoven. There was luck in Bill Gates and Steve Jobs becoming successful. And Barack Obama and Winston Chruchill. It’s a tough world. You need luck. But not just luck. You have to have certain other skills or sooner or later people call you on your bullshit.
I’m not a fan of George W. Bush. But I always correct people when they say that he is a complete idiot. He’s not. He’s got a lot of talents. And that’s how you become president of the United States TWICE. Do I think he was a good president. No, but that’s my opinion. He was not a stupid president. Luck, gets you to be Sarah Palin. Skill gets you to be Bush.
What you’re trying to say is that “oh, she’s a bullshit pop singer and anyone can become her if they have the corporate machine backing them.” But that doesn’t really work. Being a pop star (or hip hop or rock or metal or country or folk or classical) takes a combination of talents. She has them. Not just everyone does. Master P used to say that he could make anyone a star because it was all just about production, and he started signing random people off the streets and cutting albums with them: Popeye, Baby Soulja, Black Felon, Afficial, Samm, You know what happened to them? Nothing. No one has ever heard of them again.
Here’s another example. David Cook, Candice Glover, Kris Allen. Do you know who those people are? They’re three past winners of Amierican Idol that i literally picked at random. Only one of them (Cook) has ever done a million in sales. Glover’s album sold 70,000 copies. That’s with a massive media machine behind them.
People like to believe that culture is just force fed to the public and that people are lemmings and like whatever they’re told. Especially with music. But it’s way more complicated than that. Yes, yo can manipulate culture, but only enough to give it a nudge. Actually connecting with people is a skill that involved PRODUCING THE THING THAT THEY CAN CONNECT WITH. Rihanna has managed to do that. For whatever reason. And that is a talent.
I’m also a huge fan of Charlotte Church. At least her early work. And she didn’t write any of those songs either.
I was talking more about your casual sexism, Marc. Mav more that adequately addressed the rest.
Yeah. I thought him being a sexist pig was too obvious to deal with. I figured “hey sexist pigs have a right to their opinions” and he was never going to understand that he was being a sexist pig anyway so why not deal with his faulty argument.
Chance plays a pretty big role, I think. Interesting story on NPR a couple of months ago where some social scientists did an experiment and found that the exact same song would either become a #1 hit or come in last depending on small changes in what happened at the beginning. Once a song or an artist becomes popular, the popularity is self-reinforcing. Does this mean that a talentless singer can be successful purely on marketing? Not really; production and autotune and marketing only go so far. But there are plenty of artists with loads of talent who go nowhere because their timing or luck was bad.
Haha. Funny stuff. Being right and plain in speak is so very offensive. I’m not here to convince anyone to see the plain truth, make friends, or pretend calling a whore a whore has anything to do with sex. You guys applied that implication, in Chris’ case only after it was pointed out to him. Hope your collective sensitivity gets you laid. We’d all be agreeing with each other if we were sitting around a bar with a beer. Ask an artist. Shit, ask Gene Simmons….and he’s barely an artist. Rhi is a lucky pretty face. That’s it. And I want more of my entertainment.
Marc: You really have no idea who you’re talking to. Any of these people will assure you that I don’t care if you’re being offensive. I really don’t. I’m offensive all the time. And it’s not that I didn’t notice your rampant misogyny in the first post, my initial point is about sexism against Rihanna in the first place. I just chose to ignore it. There’s a good reason too. Anyone with half a brain and sense of human decency would have read “‘punch me while we hump but not too hard or I’ll cry wolf’ whore.” and said “wow, what an asshole” and immediately assumed you were an idiot who couldn’t possibly have anything intelligent to say.
It turns out they would have been right, but the neat thing about Maverick-land is that here we take assholes seriously. Rather than just discount you, for your sexism (which was obvious and I knew someone else would). I figured, lets address his logic. Frankly being able to shoot holes in your argument was just more fun to me than calling you an asshole. So that’s the direction I went.
As for your most recent post. Now you’re just trying to be clever. Don’t do that. You’re not very good at it. I liked you better when you were just being honestly hateful and misogynistic. When you called Rihanna a whore who cried wolf, that was real. It came from the heart. But when you say “You guys applied that implication, in Chris’ case only after it was pointed out to him. Hope your collective sensitivity gets you laid.” just… no… you’re not as clever as you think, and seriously, you’re WAY out of your league here.
But you know, I’m sure you’re a cultural genius. So I invite you, feel free… attack my argument. Tell me how I’m wrong. You know, with like a real argument of your own, and not “We’d all be agreeing with each other if we were sitting around a bar with a beer. Ask an artist. Shit, ask Gene Simmons….and he’s barely an artist.” You don’t know what Gene Simmons would say. You don’t know what I would say if we were having a beer. All you know is your own tiny little world view of culture, which appears to not be informed by much other than a dislike of pop music, probably a latent but unmentioned mistrust of black people in general, and the fact that no matter how much you wanted it, the cheerleaders were never going to fuck you in high school. Speaking of, yes… my sensitivity has gotten me laid on many occasions. Thank you so much for the well wishes.
So… what I have gathered from this comment thread is that some dude is mad that girls who look like Rihanna won’t fuck him. Also that skull binding jokes are funny. I like your facebook page, Chris.
and because anyone cares what I have to say, Rihanna can wear whatever she pleases, her sexual proclivities shouldn’t be brought into that, and she’s hot. Also I jam out to some of her music. Whatever.
**feminist press editor stamp of approval**
“We’d all be agreeing with each other if we were sitting around a bar with a beer.”
This is the rallying cry of bigots and hateful assholes everywhere — the pathetic belief that they’re just saying what everybody else REALLY thinks but is too afraid to admit.
It ain’t true, and the sooner they learn that the better.
Margaret: Dude! We so need to get you a stamp that actually says that!
Read Gene Simmons opinion of her. I love the Beatles, and thus some pop music. I get exhausted with the rhetoric. No matter what I say or how I argue you will not change. It’s a shame. A shame you mistake such vacancy for talent. I won’t waste another post on another duped sheep that won’t take off the blinders and would rather attack by discrediting. You sure do seem to care alot about this topic. I care only because trash like her are damaging to society and music as art. Defend it at my expense, I don’t care what you think. I did my part to try to change your mind. You obviously would rather troll my sexist view of women. So go ahead. Enjoy YOUR bubble, because mine was burst long ago. Let’s see just how long this little princess will last on her “talent”. Defend her in 10 years as an artist and then my friend, I will eat my words.
Yes. Yes we do. I will only stamp things that will make other feminists mad, though, like boobs.
“You sure do seem to care a lot”, says the man ranting about how other human beings are “trash” on a stranger’s Facebook wall.
Aw, how sweet. Marc thinks his poor man’s Andrew Dice Clay routine was edgy or subversive or something.
Rihanna won’t fuck me, either, Marc. It’s okay. Don’t get mad, bro.
Wake up, sheeple! Marc’s got the straight dope on the music industry!
Oh. Margaret… I forgot to tell you Riri is coming to out BBQ on Friday. She’ll have a fivesome with us as long as we each download her new single on iTunes.
…I’ll be back in a minute. Heading over to iTunes.
That girl sure knows how to pull one over on the music industry.
And only one man is brave enough to share his wisdom despite the danger of the PC Police. Only one man is bold enough to slutshame AND kinkshame a victim of domestic violence.
Not all men would do what Marc does. Kudos, sir.
anyway, back to treating Marc seriously, just because it’s fun to poke holes in his ignorance. Yes, I will be saying that 10 years into her career. I’m quite certain, because 10 years into her career actually happened last year. Pretty convenient that. But lets ignore that and say 10 years from now.
I’ve told this story before, but I’m going to reiterate it. Once upon a time, back in 1998, when my wife, Stephanie and I had just started dating, we were in a Best Buy, and they had that loop of music videos on the TVs and one was playing a video by the unknown girl named Britney and the other was playing a video by this other unknown girl named Billie. Steph walked up to me and said “why are you watching these teenaged girls dance around?” And I told her “ok, see these two girls? Their albums are about to drop. This girl on the left. Britney? She’s going to be bigger than God! This girl is the future of pop music. This girl on the right? She’s going nowhere. I think she’s really pretty, but she just doesn’t have what it takes to be a star in the music industry.”
And it turns out I was right. The girl on the left was Britney Spears. The girl on the right was Billie Piper. Billie made two albums and gave up and became a very decent actress, mostly famous for the revival of Doctor Who (she’s Rose Tyler). Britney Spears became a cultural phenomenon who also is unwilling to fuck Marc, so I’m pretty sure he hates her.
Then I walked over and looked at the collective grouping of N’sync and the Backstreet Boys and said “see the goofy looking one with the curly hair? That kid is the next Elvis.” He grew up to be Justin Timberlake, and I was right again. Justin is also unwilling to fuck Marc, so Marc hates him too.
And sure “you love pop music. Why, I’m a huge Beatles fan.” Gee, way to go out on a limb there, dude. Pick the single greatest selling artists of all time and count that as your proof. The thing Marc doesn’t understand is that his beloved Beatles were a fucking bubblegum pop group. When Beatlemania hit and they showed up on the Ed Sullivan show 50 years ago, there was a bunch of old fogies saying “that’s never going to last. Those are just a bunch of pretty boys being produced to make the teenage girls wet their panties and sell albums.” I also submit that back in that day, John, Paul and George would have been unwilling to fuck Marc. Maybe Ringo, if you caught him on a particularly desperate day.
The thing is, you can say ” Defend it at my expense, I don’t care what you think. I did my part to try to change your mind.” But it’s not true. You clearly care what I think. That’s why you’re “doing your best” to change my mind. You’re just not very good at it. And frankly I think you’re reading this and going “oh shit, I may be in a little over my head here. Usually people just ignore my belligerence or they’re too scared of me because I’m a big scary internet troll. What do I do here?” and you’re trying to convince yourself to just chalk this up to a loss that you will never speak of again or trying to find a way to blow my mind and show me how much smarter you are than I am. Except you’re like “but that’s hard, there’s all these people on his side. What do I do?!?!” And that part of you is right. This is my world. I’m king, and you’re just a squirrel trying to get a nut.
There’s also this part of you that wants to stay engaged because “wait, was he joking? Is Rihanna really going to fuck him and Margaret? How can I get a piece of that?” And then you’re going “no, that’s dumb. He’s just an asshole trying to get a rise out of me.” Except, your entire theory is based on the fact that she fucked her way to top, and that means she has to fuck someone. And oh my god, what if it really is him? What if that’s the guy and I’m missing my shot?
It’s tough, isn’t it?
Here’s the really funny part, “You obviously would rather troll my sexist view of women.” Except that I wouldn’t. As I explained before, that would have been really easy. Jameel called you on it right away. Margaret hinted at it. You are being sexist. Turns out that a woman is completely allowed to enjoy rough sex. Rihanna may or may not. Maybe she’s a completely innocent virgin saving herself for marriage but likes flaunting her body just to sell albums. Maybe she really is coming to my house on Friday, so Margaret and I and are respective spouses can tie her down to my bed, gag her, flog her, choke her, sodomize her and cover her in bodily fluids for six hours before tossing her out on the streets. Maybe she’s into that. Maybe she’s not. It’s ok if she is. But you actually DON’T know. And you’re only saying she “cried wolf” because that makes you feel better about yourself and your desire to have the kinky crazy aggressive sex that you know the rest of us are doing and we won’t let you in on. You’re speculating because it makes you feel better. It makes you feel as though you are justified in your hatred of women who won’t sleep with you. They must be whores. By the way, this is semantically incorrect. The word you are looking for is “Bitch.” See, a “whore” will sleep with anyone. A “bitch” will sleep with anyone BUT you. Please, feel free to update your MRA handbook.
See what I did there? THAT was trolling you for your sexist view of women. It was actually really easy. But I didn’t do that, because it was way more fun to attack your nonsensical and shortsighted view of culture. Which, sure, is probably colored by your sexist view of women. But
“So go ahead. Enjoy YOUR bubble, because mine was burst long ago.”
I do enjoy my bubble. And I see that yours has burst and I feel bad for you. Perhaps if you had a working bubble you wouldn’t want oh so badly to be in mine. Who are we kidding? Of course you would. My bubble rules. This is Mav’s world, bitch! You just live here.
Also – let’s reiterate that abuse and consensual BDSM/rough sex are completely different things. To (very directly) imply that they are the same thing is extremely irresponsible and misleading.
There. I was serious for a second.
Mav I adore you. This is just one of the many reason why.
Tiffany: Thank you, luv. Would you like to have sex with me and Rihanna?
For some reason dude is upset that people are attempting to discredit him.
Discredit: to refuse to accept as true or accurate : disbelieve
. Dictionaries are awesome. why this bothers me the most out of all his posts, I could not explain.
Hell yes! 😛 I don’t have itunes though so someone will need to download her new single for me.
Hmmm…. that’s tough. I mean, I’d be willing to let you slide on it, but she definitely wants her 99 cents for defiling her. And I’m not sure that Apple’s TOS licensing allows for the prostitution to be transferrable.
Look, I can research the TOS, but you’re gonna have to cut me in on the group sex with Rhi. It’s worth it, NO ONE wants to read through that bullshit themselves.
You’re in Brandy. I mean… for 99 cents of course.
And, viola, covered by the gifts clause. Of course for some gifts, “Gift recipients must have compatible hardware and parental control settings to utilize some gifts.” I think everyone has compatible hardware. ..