Link: • Definitely a good point on Arrow. It’s not that I don’t think a show with super powered individuals can’t be accessible. Obviously, Smallville had it’s fans. It’s ratings were comparable to Arrow’s. The Hulk series did well in the 70s. Wonder Woman did extremely well. Six Million Dollar Man and Bionic Woman as well. Lois and Clark was a smash success. Today, we have True Blood.And next year there’ll be half a dozen superhero shows on the air.
But SHIELD wasn’t supposed to be about super heroics. I’d argue that the Deathlok stuff was the worst part of the show
• Watchmen I think would have been a fine movie in the 80s or even the 90s,. It’s certainly at least on par with the Burton Batman films and probably better than the Schumacher ones. As Michael Strauss pointed out, it’s better than a lot of random generic action films. There’s more story to it. It’s way better than Man of Steel, which I think is a horrible film even for a mindless action movie. But, it’s still a superhero movie, and it came out 2009, a year after the second Nolan Batman film and a year before the second Iron Man movie. Star Trek came out that year, and Avatar and a Twilight Movie and a Harry Potter and Terminator Salvation. People were really starting to take sci-fi/comic/fantasy films seriously and Watchmen sort of pales in comparison to those movies. To be entirely fair, that’s also the year of the first Wolverine movie, the first GI Joe, and the 2nd Transformers, and even though the all did better than Watchmen at the box office, they’re nowhere near as good as films in their own rights. Watchmen takes a lot of flack, but honestly it’s just mediocre, and since the source material is so rich, that just “feels” disappointing.
• DC films… yeah, I mean, as I’ve been saying a lot lately (all over the Cap/Thor rants) I really HOPE I’m wrong. I’d love it if Batman/Superman and Justice League are great. But they don’t feel great. Even laying aside my little gimmick here where I’m supercritical of everything and trying to approach it as a literary/film scholar, and just looking at it as a pure fan: every time Marvel/Disney has leaked something in the last decade I get excited. Every time Nolan leaked something for Batman I got excited. I’m not even a Guardians of the Galaxy fan and I can’t wait to see that movie. I’m actually a big fan of Ben Affleck, but every time I hear something leak about Batman/Superman, I think “ugh, God… they’re totally just trying to make a movie that panders, aren’t they?”
News broke today that Whedon actually junked the initial Avengers script and started over from scratch when he got the directing job because he wanted to make a good movie. It is not a perfect film, no… but it is good. And hey, it turned into a blockbuster, so great. It *feels* like Warner/DC isn’t trying to make a good movie. It feels like they’re trying to make a blockbuster. Throw as much shit as you can at the wall and see what sticks.
• My problem with wishing for TV crossovers is that TV crossovers pretty much work like comic book crossovers. There are two reasons to do them. 1) because you have an amazing story that can only be told through synergy of diverse products. 2) You want cross promotion and you’re hoping that people from the popular show/book will be forced to read the less popular one. Right now, DC has exactly one super hero show… Arrow. It is not perfect, but I like it. It’s not deep or meaningful… it’s a show for giddy teenaged girls… of which I apparently am one (so is Connie, that’s what we talk about most of the time we’re giggling over it). Flash, we know is a direct spin-off, so we’re expecting the same kind of show. Constantine and Gotham are looking entirely different in tone and audience. Arrow is planning a Flash crossover, because they want to give it a rub, but at 3million viewers, and already being the lead-in, how much rub do they really have to give?
So some TV crossovers end up being astounding. Homicide and Law & Order did this. They created stories together that were too big for either show on their own and they really took advantage of the crossovers. But more often than not, what ends up happening is you get a popular show like ER starting a story and you see the conclusion on Third Watch, a show that I bet you don’t even remember, because no one fucking watched it!
But even within the L&O universe, crossovers were actually really rare. Most recently they did one with Chicago PD, which wasn’t even a “crossover.” One character from Chicago PD was on L&O:SVU for 2 min. And then two from SVU guest starred on their show for an entire episode. Because they were really trying to get people to watch Chicago PD. It’s like suddenly deciding to put Wolverine in every book.
So sure, there could be good crossovers, if they’re really well planned , but mostly they just turn into gratuitous money grabbing stunts… just like in the comics. Do you really have some burning desire to see Zero Hour or Armageddon 2001 on TV?